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AFZAL GURU AND YAKUB MEMON – A TIMELINE OF POLITICAL VENDETTA

Afzal Guru was a Kashmiri.  Kashmiris are Indians. His complicity in the attack on Indian Parliament was established, as admitted by Supreme Court, on circumstantial evidence. While admitting that the evidences were only circumstantial, the Court confirmed the death sentence awarded to him. He was hanged on 13th January 2013.

On 17th January 2007, a bench of the Supreme court unanimously ruled that “there are authorities for the proposition that if the evidence is proved by circumstantial evidence, ordinarily, death penalty would not be awarded”Afzal Guru

Quoting that authority, the Court commuted the sentences awarded to a man accused of rape of a minor girl and her gruesome murder.

What is pronounced by the Supreme Court is law unless it is turned down by another pronouncement. If there is a pronouncement reversing that ruling, I have not heard of it.

On 16 November 2006, President Pranab Mukherjee returned seven cases of mercy petitions for review. His predecessor, Pratibha Patilpratibha Patil, had commuted death sentences of 35 criminals – those who raped and killed five-year olf girls, teenagers, Four of those pardoned had jointly gruesomely massacred an entire family of seventeen. Earlier than that, when mercy petitions were forwarded to President APJ Abdul Kalam, he asked the government  why it was that only people from the marginalized sections of the Society faced capital punishment. President APJ Abdul Kalam, Patil’s predecessor, was against capital punishment although prompted by the cabinet, he rejected the mercy petition of Dhanonjay Chatterjee, a security guard who raped and killed a little girl while she was alone in the building. Some of his writings show that he regretted the decision forced on him.  Circumstantial evidence points to the possibility that the most popular and non-controversial President who ever occupied the Rashtrapati Bhavan was not given a second term was bolstered by the political necessity to hang the man from Kashmir with nothing but circumstantial evidence produced by an incompetent and corrupt police force

On 16 November 21012, President Pranab Mukherjee, returned for review by the Home Ministy  government’s Pranab Mukherjeerecommendations  to reject the mercy petitions of seven accused, including that of Afzal Guru When the recommendations came back without a change, the constitutional law made it necessary for the  President to reject the petition. The  life and death of men and women hung on the thin thread of legal niceties. Those who raped killed were pardoned; but those who might have taken part in killing by circumstantial evidence were to hang.

None of those who took part in the killings of hundreds in Bombay (other than Yakub Memon was hanged; Bal Thackeray who exhorted Hindus to kill Muslims was honoured all through his life and death. Those who were responsible for the 1984 genocide of  Sikhs roam free. Rioters who caused the death of Muslims and Hindus in 2002 under Mr. Modi’s govenrnent too escaped the noose by a wide margin – though a few including a minister in Modi Government  were convicted. The state Chief Minister Mr.Narendra  ModiModi My governments only religion is Indian first, now the Nation’s Prime Minister  said that he entertained no guilty feelings; he would have felt sad even if a puppy were to get killed.

There were loud cries for and against hanging Afzal Guru. Intellelctuals and eminent lawyers were against it. Time reported: “Khurram Pervez, a social activist in Srinagar. “Still he became the hero … [Guru] has lived in [the youth’s] heart as they have themselves witnessed everything. His death has only cemented the belief of hatred and radicalization among Kashmiris.”

Prakash JavadekarHowever, 74% of those from India who sent in their entries to a poll conducted by NDTV wanted Afzal Guru hanged.

Hindu-extremist Bharatiya Janta Party’s spokesperson Prakash Javadekar said:

Those who are supporting Afzal by demanding that he should not be hanged are not only acting against public
sentiment in the country but are giving a fillip to terrorist morale

(Times of India, 23 November 2006)

The afternoon before hanging, Omar Abdullah, Chief Minister of Jammu and Kashmir, Afzal’s home State, was informed onOmar Abdullah phone by the then Union Home Minister, Sushil Kumar Shinde that the convict would be hanged and that the death warrant had been issued. Abdullah told Shinde that it was a political execution. The Congress government had in mind Hindu votes in the general election that was due next year. It did not help. 74% who voted for Guru’s hanging also wanted more hanging – it is not unlikely that many of them had Yakub Memon in mind. For the better or the worse, Congress ploy didn’t work Sushil Kumar Shindethis time.

On 9th February 2013, Afzal Guru was secretly hanged and buried. At that, he had jumped the line by 28 convicts who were awaiting the noose. There was a big hurry. Hindu versions of Islamic extremists were baying for his blood.

On 6th March 1992, a huge horde of Kar Sevaks (roughly, hand-volunteers) mounted the dome of an ancient and little used but already controversial mosque, Babar Masjid, with axes, pick-axes and other implements and weapons and Babar Masjid demolitionbrought it down. The act was encouraged by the speeches of LK Advani, a leader and permanent Prime-Minister-in-Waiting, senior leader Murli Manohar Joshi, Chief Minister of the State Kalyan Singh, former Rani of Gwalior Vijay Raje Scindia, firebrand-in-saffron-clothes  Uma Bharati, and Sadhvi (Saint) Ritambara. Perhaps speeches and a chariot-expedition (Rath-Yathra) by Advani ADVANI-VS-RSS-1 across the Country gave the maximum fillip to  the dangerous act.

What followed was spontaneous riots all across the Country (not to mention Bangladesh, where thousands of Hindus were killed, mutilated and burnt – which inspired Taslima Nasreen’s poignant novel Lajja (Shame). In Bombay, where Muslims have a sizeable number, a Lajjaleaderless mayhem of riot and arson started, which resulted in a well-organized retribution launched by Bal Thackeray, already feared in the state of Maharashtra for his gangster-like ways supposedly designed to protect Maharashtrian interests. Nearly six hundred Muslims, and half that many Hindus lost their lives – often in the most heinous conditions. A Commission instituted by the government and headed by former Supreme Court Justice Srikrishna squarely blamed Bal Thackeray, his Shiv Sena and other Hindu zealots. When the line of findings of the Commission became obvious In 1996, the Shiv Sena Chief Minister disbanded the Commission, but Bal Thackeray- I call it Land of Hindusat the instance of the Prime Minister AB Vajpayee (a noble statesman among the communal zealots) was resumed. The report that was finally placed on the table of the Assembly never saw the light of the day.

The worst-known Muslim counterpoise to Thackeray’s Shiv Sena was the D-Company, headed by Dawood Ibrahim, a former policeman. Dawood was perhaps a few steps ahead of Thackeray in extortion and murder and other rackets. It is quite probable that he Tiger_Memonsponsored the Tiger Memon gang (real name Ibrahim Mushtaq Abdul Razak Nadim Memon) team with quite a few Muslim men to execute a massive retaliation. Inevitably, Tiger Memon’s family got involved. Chhota Rajan, a minor Hindu partner in crime with Dawood, separated from the “Company” and was later hounded by the Company. Incidentally, Dawood’s trusted finance manager was a Hindu named Sharad Shetty, whom Rajan  killed after escaping a murder bid by Dawood gang.

The coordinated  bombing of Bobmbay by Tiger Memon’s gang  was of a scale that no SIS or Pakistani militants trained by ISI or BokoMumbai Bomb Blast Haram  could replicate. (Click to watch the video if you have the stomach). Tons of RDX and weapons like AK56, grenades and ammunitions were landed in Raigad on the West Coast and transported by road to Bombay,some 112 kilometres away. Five policemen (All  Hindus) and at least  three customs officers (one a Hindu) facilitated the landing of the move by closing their eyes – in return for 780,000 rupees each. So much for  love of one’s own Country. Those were the ones that figure among the 100 convicted. They were as much accomplices – even worse donsidering their job –  as Yakub Memon, but got away with a few years in prison.

Two days before the actual blast, a man named Gul Noor Muhammad Sheikh (‘Gullu’) “sang like a canary” to the police of what was going to happen. He was earlier  apprehended by the police while he landed in Dubai allegedly after training in Pakistan. Gullu squealed about the impending bedlam – probably naming those involved, and the nature of the operations on the anvil. Police chose to ignore the tip – those who did, which included then Defence Minister Sharad Pawar,  were never questioned.

D-Company (or whoever) did not ignore the squeal. It advanced the date of the bombing from April to a couple of days after the revelation – on March 12, 1993. Ten underlings  were entrusted with the task of placing bombs in 13 strategic places – Five Star hotels, crowded bazaars, Stock Exchange, Passport office and a bank. Grenades were thrown at a Fishermen’s colony, International Airport and a bus. The bus attack  alone resulted in the death of 90 people. The total pogrom that lasted two hours and ten minutes; 257 persons including women and children lay dead; several hundreds were injured.

sanjaydutt-480The impending operation was so well known that film actor Sanjay Dutt, a former drug addict and son of the famous (and noble) film celebrities Sunil Dutt and Nargis, ordered and procured at least two AK-56 rifles, RDX, grenades, revolver and ammunition. When things got hot, Dutt got his underlings to destroy them who obediently did and were caught as well.  129 people were accused and a 100 were convicted for the attack.Dawood wants to surrender

Dawood Ibrahim and his lieutenants in crime escaped abroad – presumably to Pakistan en route Dubai – before the operation. (Watch Yakub’s confession in the interview). At a later date Dawood Ibrahim made public statements that he was a patriot, that though guilty of other gang crimes, he did not organize planting of the bombs. He phoned senior advocate Ram Jethmalani that he was willing to surrender provided he would not be tortured and that he would be retained under house arrest and not housed in a jail. Jethmalani conveyed this to the authorities – including Sharad Pawar. The response was that it was too early; conditional surrender could not Sharad-Pawarbe accepted. Jethmalani was not asked to negotiate the conditions. Thus a golden opportunity to get at the root of the operation and to put an end to the menace of operations by D-Company (which goes on till date) was conveniently,(and quite profitably for many) lost.

Jethalani made it clear that ‘they’ do not wish to bring Dawood to India. Why don’t they demand his extraditions proceedings, he asked. His interview with the ABP News was an indictment on the government of the day.(Click the image for full interview)Jethmalani interview on Dawood surrender

Why was the Don’s offer of surrender not accepted? He held too many secrets. Too many politicians, bureaucrats and police officers apart from film personalities were on his pay roll. At least two upcoming actresses died by suicide or murder; two live in voluntary anonymity. . Dawood continues to finance Hindi films at exorbitant rates of interest, arranges extrortion and decides which builder would buy building materials from whom. When Dawood’s daughter married Junaid, son of Pakistani cricketer Javed Miandad, many Indian celebrities, journalists  and politicians were invited but perhaps only sent them good wishes. FBI and Interpol attended uninvited presumably in disguise.

India accepted the conditional extradition of one of the gangsters, Abu Salim. Abu SalemThe conditions were  that he would not be tortured nor face capital punishment. He was convicted for his direct involvement in Bombay blasts and several other murder cases – but escaped the noose. He lives in relative comfort in Arthur Jail and had married a woman – who claimed to be his ardent fan – while in jail.

18 months after the blast, Yakub Memon returned to India. His story, later corroborated by B. Raman, then of the Indian intelligence organization R&AW, is that at Kathmandu in Nepal  he was assured of a fair deal and was coerced to surrender. When he landed at Delhi,with his family he was arrested by the police who took credit  which, every court knows, is their wont. Yakub claimed in an earlier interview with Madhu Trehan that he had no contact with his older brother Tiger Memon; he could possibly not have spoken to him for more than a hour at a stretch  in his life.What is more important, Yakub made startling disclosures about Pakistan’s direct complicity in the crime that resulted in the death of 257 innocents.
Yakub- I had concluded that Pakistan was involved The interview is interesting.

Yakub is said to have confessed to participating in the blasts to a police officer, which he later retracted on the ground that it was made under torture. The Supreme Court in its long judgment commented adversely on confessions to police, quoting the eminent former judge,VR  Krishna Iyer. Krishna Iyer in an article published after his retirement termed POTO (Prevention of Terrorism Ordinance) under which Yakub was convicted as State Terrorism that would lend legitimacy to (private) terrorism.

However fair the jurisprudence of a court might be, a government can thwart the moral nature of a  judgment, which is what happened in the case of Yakub Memon. After deliberating for a few hours in an apparent display of extreme fairness in the wee hours of the morning of  30th September, the Court ruled that there was no reason why Yakub should be given further fourteen days for preparing for his hanging. So by design or coincidence, the man was killed by the State on his fifty-third birthday. He had, certainly by design,  supercAPJ Abdul Kalam opposed death penaltyeded some three hundred fifty persons on the death row in the Country. His hanging was done three days after the death of  APJ Abdul Kalam, the former scientist-philosopher-teacher-President who had appealed to the Law Commission to abolish death penalty on the ground that  “Man can’t take away life given by God”. Ironically, a few Hindu godmen  bayed for Yakub’s hanging and smacked their lips with glee when the deed was carried out.

Yakub was pushed ahead of a queue of some 350 convicts who were awaiting the noose. Two of the convicts who were due to be hanged were spared the noose because they had served more than 2o years. Surinder Kohli, who raped forty children or more (figure given out by Nithari villagers) was not hanged because the President did not reject his appeal within 3 years. Moninder Singh Pandher, the man who made Kohli procure those children for his first use is still walking free because FBI could not find any evidence against him. My driver from Nithari believes that FBI would burn in God’s crucible. He believes, like his fellow villagers, that Rupees twenty-eight crore exchanged hands before FBI suddenly came to that finding.

Murli-Manohar-Joshi_1Hindu reported : Retired Justice Amir Das, who inquired into the massacre of 58 Dalits in Lakshmanpur Bathe village in Jehanabad in 1997, has stated on record that BJP leaders Murli Manohar Joshi and C.P. Thakur, were responsible for instigating members of the Ranvir Sena, an armed private militia of landowning upper caste men, to commit the murders”. The entire lot of murderers were aquitted; thec-p-thakur_3 instigators continued as top leaders of the current ruling party, BJP.

Referring to the appeal of over three hundred intellectuals to the President not to hang Yakub, Sakshi Maharaj, a ‘Sadhu’ (divine person) in saffron clothes said : “Those who oppose Yakub Memon should go to Pakistan“.

If anybody suspected that Yakub’s hanging had something to do with religious bias, that was nailed with that pronouncement.

Sakshi Maharaj (His name means Witness -Cook. Sakshi means witness;  Maharaj is an honorific accorded to Brahmin cooks) is now a member of Parliament in Mr. Modi’s party. This is what the renowned Insakshimaharaj-narendrmodi-fulldian Express had to say about him:

Along the way, Sakshi Maharaj has had several criminal cases lodged against him. He is an accused in Babri Masjid demolition case and named in the murder of Sujata Verma, a BJP leader, in 2013 at Etah along with his brother and two nephews. He was in Tihar Jail on rape charges but later acquitted. In 1997, his name had figured in the murder of BJP MLA Brahmdutt Dwivedi, who too hailed from Farrukhabad“.

So you know who hangs, and who doesn’t. Afzal Guru’s hanging alienated Kashmiris even further than before – their gradual alienation has been the result of unimaginative policies starting  from 1962; this one topped the list in bitterness.. Guru’s family’s got the information two days too late; they were not even allowed to see his body which was buried in secret.

Yakub’s family can at console themselves that they were told of the impending hanging, and were allowed to bury the body beside his father’s grave.  ..

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Another Saibaba – not a godman but a victim of bad men.

This 90%  handicapped gentle Professor of Delhi University is sentenced to life.
He killed nobody. He can’t, even if he wanted to. His crime is helping the helpless – the dirt poor, untouchable indigenous people waging war against oppressive feudalism that commit worse crimes than did the 19th century slave drivers of America

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The Priest and the Atheist

An atheist had a massive heart attack. When he went into a coma, and the doctor said he would soon be gone, his pious wife, always worried about his after life, called a priest.

The priest came and spoke the right words, making invocations to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Suddenly, the atheist sat up.

“I can see fire,” he shouted. “Terrible fire! It says it’s coming for the sinner!”

The priest ran.

The atheist died in peace.

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How would you compare the ISRO feat of launching 104 satellites in space from a single launch vehicle?

My answer to How would you compare the ISRO feat of launching 104 satellites in space from a single launch vehicle?

Answer by Vishu Menon:

Imagine a lowly paid young nurse on morning duty in a common hospital ward. She has 104 different prescriptions in her left hand, 104 syringes, filled with a different drip for each prescription. 104 patients lie in a row on their stomachs, waiting for the morning poke. She runs along the aisle, pulls down a pajama, looks at the prescription for bed 1, and pokes the syringe No.1. On to the next, pulls down the pajama, poke syringe No.2, and then Next.. and so on till bed No. 104 purrs softly to show that his drip has gone in. Job done in 18 minutes flat.

That is what Indian Space Research Organization’s PSLV-C37 / Cartosat -2 Series Satellite did in the morning of on Februay 15, 2017.

The 104 space slots were for different nations (96 of them Americans, three Indians and the remaining 5 from other countries.

All went well. Patients are live and kicking. Applause.

Congratulations, ISRO scientists and engineers, data entry operators and data monitors, accountants and clerks, logistics managers and peons, contractors and couriers, spouses and children who waited while they were working overtime, and all those who are missed out in this list.

Your feat is hard to beat.

Sad, politicians will hog all the credit, praise Modi for having done little, and give themselves a pay-raise.

How would you compare the ISRO feat of launching 104 satellites in space from a single launch vehicle?

I am a muslim. I want to change my religion to some other as I don’t find peace in it. How can I proceed?

My answer to I am a muslim. I want to change my religion to some other as I don’t find peace in it. How can I proce…

Answer by Vishu Menon:

The best religion is NO RELIGION. If you feel the need to pray to offer solace to yourself, for the safety of a beloved being, for your own safety, while you drive on a South-Asian highway, or your spouse falls sick or denies you your side of the bed, or while taking off in an airplane that withdraws its undercarriage with a frightening thud, pray to a kind-hearted, non-vengeful, helpful, smiling god of your heart even though you know that he/she doesn’t exist.

If you believe in the unethical, sexless or over-sexed, hateful, retributive, selfish, narcissistic, misogynistic, pestilential, racist, chauvinistic, ‘pray-to-me-or-I’ll-burn-you-in-hell’ god of religion (any religion), you will over time become unethical, hateful, sexless or oversexed, retributive, selfish, narcissistic, misogynistic, racist, chauvinistic, “pray-to-my-god-or-you-will-burn-in-hell” bigot and and cause riots and wars in this world, and generally die an unhappy person, hoping to find a better life and better sex in another non-existent world. .

I am a muslim. I want to change my religion to some other as I don’t find peace in it. How can I proceed?

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Atheists say they don’t believe in God; does it mean they reject all immaterial things? If YES, how do they apprehend the presence of hum…

My answer to Atheists say they don’t believe in God; does it mean they reject all immaterial things? If YES, how do…

Answer by Vishu Menon:

Human heart, my dear friend, is a very material thing. There is nothing spiritual about it. A biological pump with four chambers, with inputs and outputs through tubes to various parts of the body that need oxygen supply, growth-producing chemicals, energy and immunity. Also to reprocessing organs like the kidney and the lungs. It is an electrically operated pressure pump that contracts its muscles to push clean blood to different parts of the body through arteries, and relaxes to pull in unclean blood through veins. It has a passive role, working like a dry-cleaner’s outlet – taking in the dirty ones, sending them for cleaning, and giving out the clean ones. The more active job of cleaning, oxidizing, analyzing and synthesizing organic chemicals is done by processing units like the kidney,lungs, and the liver. If a soul or a person’s yearning for romance reside within the heart, science has not been able to, and does not expect to, find them. If, as godman Krishna says, he lives in the heart of all living beings ( Bhagavat Gita 10:20), the poet who wrote the Gita probably meant it allegorically. Quran said that a person reasons with her heart (22:46); but that was the understanding in the seventh century – or that was an allegory too..

Heart palpitation does change with emotional changes.- It is this spontaneous reaction of the heart to external events that made thinkers like Aristotle and Ptolemy (and poet-philosopher Vyasa) to believe that the soul or God resides in the heart. The changes actually happen as a result of the brain’s fight-or-flight reflexes so as to prepare to give additional blood if in need, or to actually supply oxygen and energy that the body demands when it does faster or more strenuous work..

Heart is certainly a great piece of engineering – it can beat ordinary man-made pumps in its automatic responsiveness, complexity and longevity. It is a little difficult for the ordinary mind to comprehend how natural selection during the process of evolution over several millions of years could by itself create such a magnificent machine. Living cells known as genes are amazing things; they work as if they have a mind of their own, store an enormous data of history within themselves. Hence they can live and learn from experience. Observe how a tiny pair of chromosomes (the male one smaller than the female one) can convey so much data about the facial features, metabolic peculiarities, skin complexion, height, voice harmonics, gait, personality and the very nature of a man to his son (or daughter, but excluding some like the genital data which comes from mother’s chromosmes) just by fertilizing his/her mother’s egg. This transmission of data from one generation to the next happens even if the son (or daughter ) had never seen his/her parents. DNA and RNA that the chromosomes bundle along are amazing things; even when scientists say they have decoded all the millions of codes their staircase-like structure hold, there are many more things for them yet to unravel.

Human body, like any complex living organism, is built inside out – like little ants build huge anthills (several times larger than our largest tower if you rate them by the relative body sizes). Every complex achievement is the consequence of a series of trial and error exercises by a long chain of its participants. Present day scientific discoveries and inventions are the result of hundreds of years of human thought, research and exchange of information. The human body is similarly the consequence of the intuitive efforts of a long chain of microscopic cells over millions of (human) years. The cells themselves evolved in another few hundreds or thousands of their own years from the day a few drops of regenerative proteins evolved under one or more conducive chemicals and friendly environmental events.

Undoubtedly, there is much mystery yet in need of resolution; but a jealous, anxious-for-praise, selectively merciful God is not the answer. Such a God only prevents you from resolving them by giving you cock-and-bull stories from what they call religious scriptures and the false notion of spiritualism.

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Does God really exist outside Time, space and matter?

My answer to Does God really exist outside Time, space and matter?

Answer by Vishu Menon:

This question arose in mind when I came across a video where Kent Hovind, the supreme Christian fundamentalist-evangelist answered the question, “where does God come from” by a slip-shod answer that God of the Bible exists outside time, space and matter. He won thunderous applause for this answer.

Hovind pointed out that the Bible began with “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” which means time, space (heaven) and matter (earth) were created together, and the God of the Bible exists outside all the three. Like man who created the computer does not exist within the computer, nor is he a part of the computer,  explained the evangelist, so does God exist outside time, space and matter.

Good argument. Never forget for a moment that Hovind is talking specifically about the God of the Bible. He quotes the Bible verbatim because that is the authority, full and final. There is no allegory here, just a statement of divine truth. God created the heaven and earth, which is the same as space and matter, and therewith began Time. Just as, to repeat, a person could create a computer its software and built-in calendar, but would remain outside all the three.

“Outside space time and matter” is a phrase stolen from modern science that virtually denies God. Let us say Bible did mean the entire space by Heaven and all the matter in the universe by Earth. Let us pretend there is no matter outside the earth and for the moment take sides with the evangelist,

Now, God of the Bible had the shape of man, for it was in his form that he made man.

Gen 1:27 . So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

The image factor is repeated twice in this verse so that no doubt remains in the mind of man. So God has nose, which couldn’t be for a show -but to smell (a sweet aroma of burnt flesh – Ex 29:18) and needs fresh air to breathe. He cannot bear anything unwashed or unhygienic – or even malformed like a hunchback or a dwarf near his altar. He has eyes, so he has to have matter to see and to discriminate good from the bad (Lev. 21:16–23). Unlike a pagan god who might have eyes all around his head, this god has the same kind of eyes as man has – and hence can’t see behind him or beyond his line of vision (which is why he didn’t notice Eve being tempted). He actually fashioned man from dust like a piece of sand-art, and breathed into his nostrils (Gen 2:7), again showing that God has lungs, windpipe and a mouth; thus he breathes, hence needs air from this space.

God of the Bible surgically fashioned the woman from one of the man’s ribs, so he has hands to work with matter. He worked for six days, which means he was not outside of time because work is a function of time.If one assumes that the days of God are meant, which means that each day was a thousand years of man, then God was no instant creator by sheer will. There was no one out there to count the number of days; even the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day only although time came into being on day one. God counted the time himself. On the seventh day, just after ordering things around He created man with hands and blowing breath into him, and surgically implanting a woman by his side. He made them both stark naked and ignorant. God got so tired that he had to take rest.  He decided that, as a strict norm at the risk of immediate murder, no man will work on that day. When God rested, he wanted man to rest and called the day the Sabbath. When an ignorant villager picked up sticks for firewood on a Sabbath, He had him killed for the crime (Numb. 15:32–35). You cannot find a more material God than the God of the Bible.

God also decided that man should have no knowledge of good and evil.

Gen 2:17 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.

God lied that they would die if they ate the fruit of knowledge, or perhaps He had not dared to try out the fruit himself. A wily serpent knew for sure that they would not die ‘if they ate the fruit of knowledge’. Alternatively, God exaggerated about the consequence being death because was He so jealous and possessive of his own knowledge of sexual pleasure. Why else would he furnish differential but complimentary, mutually and simultaneously excitable genitalia to Adam and Eve?

All that shows that the God of the Bible has his limitations within space and time. He was walking in the evening cool of the day in the garden of Eden (Gen 3:8) when he discovered that the duo had acquired the knowledge of good (nudity) and evil (sex). Incidentally, God is susceptible to the ecological elements – he loved the cool breeze in the garden he created.

Gen. 3:22 . And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

The man that God created within time and space with matter, according to the Bible, lacked just two characteristics to be equal to God – knowledge of good and evil, and eternal life. In this sacred passage we do not see an alien God from outside space matter and time, but a furiously jealous man-God with just two superior qualities from the ordinary man He created. We also notice that He was one of the worst preceptors that one could ever expect. This God was not just jealous, being which is a very earthly vice, but also utterly loathful of his own creation. I do not know of any computer designer who would get jealous if his computer gets too much memory or processing power, or acquires an operational life that would even exceed his own.

God loved food, and till the day he got his own secretly begotten Son killed as a cannibal offering, he wanted goats, oxen and other animals fed to him as burnt offering and piece offering. Burnt offering is a sweet savor to God ((Num. 29:2) He appreciated Abel’s supply of butchered meat, but disliked Cain’s healthy and ethically produced vegetables and fruits. God is a carnivore (Gen 4: 3–5) who needed matter (meat) for his gourmet pleasure. God of the Bible is just a carnivorous glutton, a very earthly being.

God of the Bible, who is supposed to have dictated his own eulogies and the history of man to Moses never mentioned the millions of galaxies, of the difference between stars and planets or anything beyond the sun and the moon which He hung up in the sky for light in the day and night respectively. Instead he threatened that stars would fall on earth (Mark 13:25) when the end time came.  Massive stars falling  like LEDs on our minuscule earth is an absolute impossibility; so he was woefully ignorant of cosmic facts. God thought that the sky is a hard firmament and put his throne and 24 Elders above this sky (Revelation 4:4) , and actually rode astride a winged Cherub (Psalms 18:10). He did not even know that there was little or no gravity for him to sit firmly on his golden throne, nor air to breathe in the sky above – all of which, I’m sorry to say, are the signs of a primitive ignoramus who belongs to this very earthy matter and ignorant time.

No, Mr. Kent Hovind, God of the Bible is not identical to the man who made a computer and lived outside it. He was one who is supposed to have built a house (earth) with a ceiling (heaven above) and lived on top of it, proudly proclaiming that “I’m a jealous God, my name is Jealous” (Ex. 34:14).

A God outside time space and matter was the ‘formless, devoid of attributes and emotions” god of ancient Hindu philosophers who, for a living, soon yielded this noble – even if unsubstantiated – concept to those who built and worshiped thousands of gods and goddesses.

If there is one god, there is no reason why there can’t be several – the job of creation, maintenance and replacement should be unimaginably huge. The sole advantage of Monotheism – one lonely jealous God – is that, as Richard Dawkins once famously stated, you need to knockout just one God and not too many gods to get at sensible, scientific and humanistic atheism.

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If the noblest edict in stone was one of t love for all and tolerance of all faiths, which king /emperor/ god had that engraved in his na…

My answer to If the noblest edict in stone was one of t love for all and tolerance of all faiths, which king /emper…

Answer by Vishu Menon:

It certainly was not the narcissistic, jealous and intolerant god who wrote it himself on two stone tablets and had it hidden in a golden Arc of Covenant and then killed all those other than selected priests who tried to take a peek at it.

It definitely was not a Prophet who said there was no compulsion in religion, but also wanted all those who did not believe in his singular god to be chased and slayed by the edge of the sword,

It is extremely unlikely that a scheming god who told his disciple that it is OK to worship and sacrifice to any other god, but if you want real results, you should pray and sacrifice to me alone would have made such an edict.

To my mind, the first and the oldest (nearly a century before Christ) proclamation of true secularism and tolerance that got engraved in stone in three languages – including Aramaic and Greek – and in several copies was by Emperor Ashoka, . Ashoka’s Edict No. 12, partially damaged, can still be seen in the already intolerant Kandahar and gradually becoming intolerant Karnataka

Today, the Nation that this great emperor once reigned, is now governed by men of clay who ridicule Secular as ‘Sickular’.

Perhaps there were others before him. I am keen to know.

If the noblest edict in stone was one of t love for all and tolerance of all faiths, which king /emperor/ god had that engraved in his na…